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Post by Rev. Jim Cunningham on May 17, 2010 8:25:22 GMT -5
God created Adam to live forever. He was not meant to die. God gave Adam a mate so that he would not be lonely in this world, and his mate was not meant to die either. They were meant to be together forever and to physically (sexually) bond. They never had children, even though they sexually mated together. It did not matter what the gender was of Adam's mate - they didn't need children. There was no such thing as children! But - then they sinned. And when they sinned, they grew old and died. Death would mean that Man - made in the very image of God - would be gone from the world. Man, according to the Word of God, was made as a mate for God, and for this reason God would not allow Man to perish from the earth with the death of Adam. Therefore, because God knew before Adam sinned that he would sin, God took Adam's rib containing his DNA and fashioned another Man for him, called a wo-Man, making alterations to the Male genitals by causing the pe nis to grow to an extremely small size (which we have renamed "clitoris") , and causing the scrotum to not seal together (which we now call "labia"), and causing the testicles to not descend but to revert to ovaries which produce egg instead of sperm. As has been discovered through sex-change operations, the cavity in a fe-Male through which the va gina passes also exists in Males. And God caused the mammary gland within the chest to grow in fe-Males (many men also experience this to a small degree, called gynacomastia, demonstrating that Males do have exactly what the fe-Males have). The fe-Male has all of the same parts of the Male, which was merely altered by God to conceive and feed a child after sin has entered the world - and the parts are the same because the fe-Male was taken out of the Male. They are the same. They are both Man. Before Adam & Eve sinned, they joined together sexually, "making the two ONE FLESH" through the unique bond that exists only between two people in a marriage. But after Adam & Eve sinned, they brought death into the world; and they became ashamed of their nakedness because their genitals, which were made for the function of unity and one-ness and marriage, would now have to be used to reproduce themselves. Reproduction is their shame because it is a result of the Fall. And thus they covered themselves. Adam and Eve were the first humans, and it was their sin that killed the world. Therefore it was there duty to replenish the world. But it is NOT the duty of every single person who descends from them - else being unmarried would be forbidden, and those who could not have children would be prohibited from marriage. But no one but Adam & Eve (and later Noah and his children) was commanded to reproduce. Adam & Eve cannot be the model of marriage in any way other than to define marriage as between two human beings - two people of the same species, specifically of Adam's "flesh and bones", as he himself said of Eve, and as God demonstrated by first presenting to Adam all of the animals to choose from before creating and bringing him Eve. Then, when the Law came in, God defined who could NOT be in a marriage (parent & child, uncle & niece, etc), and though He forbade heterosexual men from leaving their wives to be with other men (Leviticus 18&20, Romans 1), nowhere did He forbid two homosexual men from marriage. Marriage is for UNION. SOME marriages will produce children - but not all. And has no one ever considered that perhaps God created homosexuals so that there would be people to care for all of the abandoned children created by heterosexuals? Love in Jesus, Rev. Jim Cunningham King James Bible Ministries www.GayChristianSurvivors.com |
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Post by Will on Aug 13, 2014 1:39:29 GMT -5
Show me from scripture what the full model of marriage is.
Also explain chromosome science concerning how male and female are formed at the moment if conception.
Isn't this explained in mark chapter 10?
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Post by Will on Aug 13, 2014 1:48:42 GMT -5
Show me from scripture what the full model of marriage is. Also explain chromosome science concerning how male and female are formed at the moment if conception. Isn't this explained in mark chapter 10? I meant mark chap 19 |
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Post by Rev. Jim Cunningham on Aug 14, 2014 13:56:03 GMT -5
Hi Will,
The content of this website (GayChristianSurvivors.com) is specifically created to answer the question of what a valid biblical marriage is. It would be redundant for me to repost the entire site's contents here.
As to how a male and female is formed is utterly irrelevant to the issue of who can be in a marriage. What you have between your legs is irrelevant to marriage, and to my way of thinking only a dirty mind would be preoccupied with such things. God stated that the purpose of marriage is for companionship. Anything more than this is man-made dogma. Again, this is completely covered on the website.
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Post by angelfish on Sept 29, 2014 16:40:26 GMT -5
I hate to agree with Will on this but there is an obvious flaw- Naturally theres the next question 'Did god plan the fall of man from the beginning, and so made Eve for Adam to reproduce'?, which gets into some pretty heavy theology very quick- with its own sets of complexities outside the homosexual issue. Of course the bible in order from genesis to Revelation is could be described as a history leason in gods plan, theres going to be a need for children somehow. I can pick it apart a bit here and there but, Your right though on whats in between the legs doesnt seem to matter, Also it's plain to see the bible tells us one of the reasons for marriage is to satisfy our natural urges without sinning. your also right on alot of things... I like your book alot it helped my understanding a HUGE deal as a Gay guy that loves god, My spirit was truely uplifted, so don't get me wrong. To be honest it's not enough on it's own to be so conclusive. I'm curious to see more, I feel like this book was just a general beginning to something more.
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Post by Rev. Jim Cunningham on Oct 3, 2014 21:33:39 GMT -5
I hate to agree with Will on this but there is an obvious flaw- Naturally theres the next question 'Did god plan the fall of man from the beginning, and so made Eve for Adam to reproduce'?, which gets into some pretty heavy theology very quick- with its own sets of complexities outside the homosexual issue. Of course the bible in order from genesis to Revelation is could be described as a history leason in gods plan, theres going to be a need for children somehow. I can pick it apart a bit here and there but, Your right though on whats in between the legs doesnt seem to matter, Also it's plain to see the bible tells us one of the reasons for marriage is to satisfy our natural urges without sinning. your also right on alot of things... I like your book alot it helped my understanding a HUGE deal as a Gay guy that loves god, My spirit was truely uplifted, so don't get me wrong. To be honest it's not enough on it's own to be so conclusive. I'm curious to see more, I feel like this book was just a general beginning to something more.
While it is an absolute certainty that the Almighty had the foreknowledge of the Fall (as I discuss at length in the book/website), I believe that the very foundation of the Gospel is laid upon the confidence that the Almighty most certainly did not plan the Fall and is 100% innocent of it; it was caused 100% by Man's disobedience and his total inability to avoid rebellion and temptation, either by demonic influence or by the flesh - that is, Man is completely responsible for the Fall.
To accuse Jesus of the astronomical crime of planning and plotting the sabotage and fall of His creation is a doctrine invented by Satan in his rebellion, and is taught by the most evil cults and secret societies on earth; it spits upon the very sacrifice of Christ and undermines the entire salvation revealed by Scripture. The Fall is the ultimate demonstration that even a perfectly created being is still not as perfect as the Creator and cannot survive after moving outside of the perfection of the Creator. And Jesus, knowing this as the Creator, was compelled, by His love for us, to pre-establish before the Fall His method of salvation. Anything less would prove Him to be an imperfect, incompetent, fallible god who can hardly be called almighty, and in fact very much defines the impotent gods created by man in Babylon, in Egypt, in Sumaria, in Africa, in Greece, in Rome, in India, in China, in Britannia, in Germania, in Scandinavia, in the Americas, in Polynesia, etc.
The question is not, "Why did God make us and the whole of creation while at the same time knowing full well all the evil that would happen?" The real question is, "How could God still love us enough to create us while knowing full well that we would betray Him - and knowing the sacrifice that He would have to make to rescue us?" The answer to this is that God also foresaw what was on the other side of it all. He saw the prize: eternal bliss with His bride. As it is written, "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us" - Romans 8:18.[/b] In Christ Jesus the Innocent, Rev. Jim Cunningham[/font] |
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Post by angelfish on Oct 17, 2014 8:04:30 GMT -5
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL ANSWER!!! lol you should write a book :-p (ta da... tiss) I find myself forced to agree again. You know I just finished reading Ireneous "Against Heresies"- its from the second or third century, he was addressing the growing gnostic movement at the time in a 5 book series. The first book goes into the gnostic dogma in great detail. One of the beliefs of the gnostics that stood out was there was a kind of primitive universe before God, and that is when God himself was created by a higher God. Those Gods gave God specific instructions on what to do that kinda eluded to predestination. Since the Gnostics borrowed from so many other pagan religions, its not surprising so many of them had the same general theory (including science).... The point of my desegregation is there seems to be a nagging question in many human beings mind through history, "What was there before Creation"- perhaps that question is like a seed from satan... I like ranting from time to time I admit, but would you think it so there genuinely wasnt anything before creation?
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