Post by Rev. Jim Cunningham on Mar 21, 2017 18:40:53 GMT -5
Brothers and sisters, as a minister and disciple of Jesus Christ I try to avoid entangling myself with things of a political nature. But we have recently entered very dark and frightful Times, the whole nation is up in arms, and our government seems to have forgotten the People in a way unprecedented in our Nation's history, and in the midst of this chaos I am sometimes directly confronted with things of such an evil nature that it would be an unjust and wicked thing to remain silent, as King Solomon said in Proverbs 26:5, "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit," while tempering that answer with the admonition of James 1:20 that "the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God." The following is one such "conversation"; it took place in a public forum, so I have retained the authors' true names, and I have not censored nor spell-corrected their words. Let their work speak for itself.
"Your tired, your poor yearning to breathe free"....that was America's 'old deal'. An America where personal responsibility was your only obligation and hard work drove upward mobility. It was the land of equal opportunity for all. That America didn't die with Trump, it was a slow death beginning with the 'new deal'. A land of entitlement where equal results surpassed equal opportunity in importance. A place where social engineering cannot be questioned without an allegation of racism.
I'm sorry, but that is FALSE.
USA was NOT about "personal responsibility" (except for crimes), but COLLECTIVE responsibility. Even from the foundation of this nation, as the 13 Colonies voted on whether to proclaim independence, President John Hancock declared, "Either we all walk together, or together we stay where we are!" And so that there would be no mistaking it, the Continental Congress sealed the Declaration of Independence with that Collective responsibility, saying, "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor," and opened the Constitution with that same Collective Responsibility, saying, "We the People of the United States - in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE AND SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY - do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Should we call our Founders "Communists" and "Socialists"? Of course not. There is no comparison between America's Constitutional "Promote the General Welfare" clause and any Communistic or Socialistic regime in world history. It is our contractual, constitutional DUTY AND OBLIGATION as an American Citizen to help our neighbors, to not be barbarians to each other as it was in the homelands that our forefathers forsook, were we would let a brother die in the street like a dog rather than help. We are not in this American Adventure alone but together, and we cannot do it alone and remain a Civil and Moral and Decent Society; we must "have each others' backs" - we are COLLECTIVELY AMERICA! When the individual American prospers, AMERICA prospers. True there will always be abusers of our American system of generosity and kindness to our Fellow Man, but that is not a condemnation of the system.
It is the renegade lone wolves, ravenous and lustful for wealth and power, like the elite of the foreign nobilities We cast off, that have now overthrown our "land of equal opportunity", resulting in fascist corporatists literally hijacking our government and casting our nation headlong into the depths of that barbarism of the Old World.
That system of "Promote the General Welfare" can be seen in such truly America pillars as the Emancipation Proclamation, Women's voting rights, Public Endowment for the Arts, Food Programs, Social Security, and Universal Health Care; and The New Deal of Roosevelt that you bashed rescued America from the brink of total ruination following the collapse of our economy when a greedy Congress destroyed the Gold Standard and plunged the world into hell that was The Great Depression. It is clearly the goal of the current Republican Party to overthrow that great bastion and bulwark of American Society, not merely to cast away the outreached hand of Our poor, sick and elderly neighbors upon whose backs that attained their wealth, but to take all that they have and to obliterate them altogether, or as Scrooge satanically proclaimed, "to decrease the surplus population".
How is this different from what Hitler did, what Stalin and Lenin and Franco and Mussolini did, what Mao and Pol Pot and Castro and Kim Jung Un and Edie Amin and Hussein and Kadafi? How is this any different from what the new administration is doing now? And how will any of these wicked people, who would rather let sick Americans DIE by taking away their insurance rather than fight the criminally price-gouging of Big ever escape God's damnation, as it is written, "Love thy neighbor as thyself.... but it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
l came here 25 years ago, from PoIand, after marrying an American, and l spent every day of those Iast 25 years watching whites coming to America from around the worId, assimiIating and becoming part of the whoIe. And l’ve watched the bIacks, and the Arabs and other trash come here, demanding to be ‘accepted’ and ‘provided with the same advantages’ the whites worked for their whoIe Iives. And l’ve seen them get what they screamed for, because it is easier to just appease than teach anew, especiaIIy the ones incapabIe of Iearning but prone to vioIence. l’ve watched them grab for and steaI what others had to earn, with no scrupIes, no shame, no responsibiIity. l saw the white America get browbeaten into shamefuI hesitation and outward deniaI of our rights and wants and needs to the advantage of the unwashed, Iazy, entitIed, segregationist human stains pIucked out of the African bush or Arab rabbIe-mountain caves or South American carton sIums. And l saw the good heart of this nation, my nation, get broken by sorrow and empathy, and the heIping hand get sIapped away and cut deepIy, and l COULD NOT BELlEVE that the WHlTE AMERlCA was Iearning to TAKE THlS sh*t lNSTEAD OF ERADlCATING lT. AIas, you can’t stop the ocean, and you can’t stop the fIow of the iIIegaIs, of the segregationists, of the entitIement hounds and racism peddIers. We have passed the point of no return. Something wiII have to give, it’s just that simpIe, because we can’t go on Iike that. We can’t spend our Iives cowed by the race mongers, trained into submission by the ones who value nothing, since they work for nothing, earn nothing, appreciate nothing; and those who onIy want what you have, for no other reason than that you have it and they don’t. We Iet in the dirty masses, raised on hate for our ideaIs and dreams, yet wanting to be part of them, and yet not wiIIing to work with us towards them, as if that was some insuIt aimed at them – that you have to earn what you yearn for. We’ve been giving it to them for free, and that’s why they now have NO APPREClATlON for any of it or for us, at aII. We’ve created the Enemy Within, we’ve fed and cIothed them, we’ve armed them with guns and pubIicity and media, and we’ve surrendered to the accusations, innuendos, and guiIt-baiting. Few more years of that and the USA wiII be no more, suppIanted by a third rate banana-repubIic with non-whites running amok and whites being hunted down Iike animaIs. lt is too Iate to fix any of that. Short of a NEW REVOLUTlON l have no more HOPE. Growing up, l aIways thought other peopIe are Iike me, that they aII want to work and improve and enIighten. l came to this country because it was the Iiving breathing exercise in putting these ideaIs into reaIity. That ended about 2 decades ago, and ever since the sIide into mediocrity, irresponsibiIity, and entitIement cuIture has been dragging the good peopIe down to drown, instead of them raising the Iower ones up to our IeveI for common betterment – or maybe in spite of it. Whites in the USA made one horribIe mistake that wiII haunt them forever – they assumed that the skum, the trash, the vermin of humanity is redeemabIe, fixabIe, and wanting our heIp with it. We forgot to ask, and are now deaIing with the screaming sh*theads spitting in our faces and dragging us down to their skum IeveIs. WhiIe we were just Ietting them Ioose on our cuIture it was survivabIe. The moment we Iet them into government there was nowhere Ieft to go but down.
REV. JIM REPLIED:
Indians & Hispanics were here before Whites, and Blacks & Jews have been here as long as Whites. It is the White Trash left-overs of failed Monarchial, Feudalistic, Fascist and Socialist Europe, like yourself, that is destroying America today. American Freedom is for ALL Americans, whether they personally helped gain our liberties or are merely the "after the fact" beneficiaries. And Jesus told a great parable about just such a thing - and I don't merely tell you that parable, but WARN you with it:
"The kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day he sent them into his vineyard.
And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, and said unto them, "Go you all also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you." And they went their way.
Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour and did likewise.
And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, "Why stand ye here all the day idle?"
They say unto him, "Because no man hath hired us."
He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive."
So when evening was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, "Call the labourers and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first."
And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the people who were hired first came, they supposed that they should have received more, and they likewise received every man a penny.
And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, saying, "These people who came last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us which have borne the burden and heat of the day!"
But he answered one of them, and said, "Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that which thine is, and go thy way; I will give unto this last group of hires even as I gave unto you. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is your eye evil, because I am good?"
TIM SAID
"Your tired, your poor yearning to breathe free"....that was America's 'old deal'. An America where personal responsibility was your only obligation and hard work drove upward mobility. It was the land of equal opportunity for all. That America didn't die with Trump, it was a slow death beginning with the 'new deal'. A land of entitlement where equal results surpassed equal opportunity in importance. A place where social engineering cannot be questioned without an allegation of racism.
REV. JIM REPLIED:
I'm sorry, but that is FALSE.
USA was NOT about "personal responsibility" (except for crimes), but COLLECTIVE responsibility. Even from the foundation of this nation, as the 13 Colonies voted on whether to proclaim independence, President John Hancock declared, "Either we all walk together, or together we stay where we are!" And so that there would be no mistaking it, the Continental Congress sealed the Declaration of Independence with that Collective responsibility, saying, "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor," and opened the Constitution with that same Collective Responsibility, saying, "We the People of the United States - in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE AND SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY - do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Should we call our Founders "Communists" and "Socialists"? Of course not. There is no comparison between America's Constitutional "Promote the General Welfare" clause and any Communistic or Socialistic regime in world history. It is our contractual, constitutional DUTY AND OBLIGATION as an American Citizen to help our neighbors, to not be barbarians to each other as it was in the homelands that our forefathers forsook, were we would let a brother die in the street like a dog rather than help. We are not in this American Adventure alone but together, and we cannot do it alone and remain a Civil and Moral and Decent Society; we must "have each others' backs" - we are COLLECTIVELY AMERICA! When the individual American prospers, AMERICA prospers. True there will always be abusers of our American system of generosity and kindness to our Fellow Man, but that is not a condemnation of the system.
It is the renegade lone wolves, ravenous and lustful for wealth and power, like the elite of the foreign nobilities We cast off, that have now overthrown our "land of equal opportunity", resulting in fascist corporatists literally hijacking our government and casting our nation headlong into the depths of that barbarism of the Old World.
That system of "Promote the General Welfare" can be seen in such truly America pillars as the Emancipation Proclamation, Women's voting rights, Public Endowment for the Arts, Food Programs, Social Security, and Universal Health Care; and The New Deal of Roosevelt that you bashed rescued America from the brink of total ruination following the collapse of our economy when a greedy Congress destroyed the Gold Standard and plunged the world into hell that was The Great Depression. It is clearly the goal of the current Republican Party to overthrow that great bastion and bulwark of American Society, not merely to cast away the outreached hand of Our poor, sick and elderly neighbors upon whose backs that attained their wealth, but to take all that they have and to obliterate them altogether, or as Scrooge satanically proclaimed, "to decrease the surplus population".
How is this different from what Hitler did, what Stalin and Lenin and Franco and Mussolini did, what Mao and Pol Pot and Castro and Kim Jung Un and Edie Amin and Hussein and Kadafi? How is this any different from what the new administration is doing now? And how will any of these wicked people, who would rather let sick Americans DIE by taking away their insurance rather than fight the criminally price-gouging of Big ever escape God's damnation, as it is written, "Love thy neighbor as thyself.... but it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
NATE RESPONDED:
l came here 25 years ago, from PoIand, after marrying an American, and l spent every day of those Iast 25 years watching whites coming to America from around the worId, assimiIating and becoming part of the whoIe. And l’ve watched the bIacks, and the Arabs and other trash come here, demanding to be ‘accepted’ and ‘provided with the same advantages’ the whites worked for their whoIe Iives. And l’ve seen them get what they screamed for, because it is easier to just appease than teach anew, especiaIIy the ones incapabIe of Iearning but prone to vioIence. l’ve watched them grab for and steaI what others had to earn, with no scrupIes, no shame, no responsibiIity. l saw the white America get browbeaten into shamefuI hesitation and outward deniaI of our rights and wants and needs to the advantage of the unwashed, Iazy, entitIed, segregationist human stains pIucked out of the African bush or Arab rabbIe-mountain caves or South American carton sIums. And l saw the good heart of this nation, my nation, get broken by sorrow and empathy, and the heIping hand get sIapped away and cut deepIy, and l COULD NOT BELlEVE that the WHlTE AMERlCA was Iearning to TAKE THlS sh*t lNSTEAD OF ERADlCATING lT. AIas, you can’t stop the ocean, and you can’t stop the fIow of the iIIegaIs, of the segregationists, of the entitIement hounds and racism peddIers. We have passed the point of no return. Something wiII have to give, it’s just that simpIe, because we can’t go on Iike that. We can’t spend our Iives cowed by the race mongers, trained into submission by the ones who value nothing, since they work for nothing, earn nothing, appreciate nothing; and those who onIy want what you have, for no other reason than that you have it and they don’t. We Iet in the dirty masses, raised on hate for our ideaIs and dreams, yet wanting to be part of them, and yet not wiIIing to work with us towards them, as if that was some insuIt aimed at them – that you have to earn what you yearn for. We’ve been giving it to them for free, and that’s why they now have NO APPREClATlON for any of it or for us, at aII. We’ve created the Enemy Within, we’ve fed and cIothed them, we’ve armed them with guns and pubIicity and media, and we’ve surrendered to the accusations, innuendos, and guiIt-baiting. Few more years of that and the USA wiII be no more, suppIanted by a third rate banana-repubIic with non-whites running amok and whites being hunted down Iike animaIs. lt is too Iate to fix any of that. Short of a NEW REVOLUTlON l have no more HOPE. Growing up, l aIways thought other peopIe are Iike me, that they aII want to work and improve and enIighten. l came to this country because it was the Iiving breathing exercise in putting these ideaIs into reaIity. That ended about 2 decades ago, and ever since the sIide into mediocrity, irresponsibiIity, and entitIement cuIture has been dragging the good peopIe down to drown, instead of them raising the Iower ones up to our IeveI for common betterment – or maybe in spite of it. Whites in the USA made one horribIe mistake that wiII haunt them forever – they assumed that the skum, the trash, the vermin of humanity is redeemabIe, fixabIe, and wanting our heIp with it. We forgot to ask, and are now deaIing with the screaming sh*theads spitting in our faces and dragging us down to their skum IeveIs. WhiIe we were just Ietting them Ioose on our cuIture it was survivabIe. The moment we Iet them into government there was nowhere Ieft to go but down.
REV. JIM REPLIED:
Indians & Hispanics were here before Whites, and Blacks & Jews have been here as long as Whites. It is the White Trash left-overs of failed Monarchial, Feudalistic, Fascist and Socialist Europe, like yourself, that is destroying America today. American Freedom is for ALL Americans, whether they personally helped gain our liberties or are merely the "after the fact" beneficiaries. And Jesus told a great parable about just such a thing - and I don't merely tell you that parable, but WARN you with it:
"The kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day he sent them into his vineyard.
And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, and said unto them, "Go you all also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you." And they went their way.
Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour and did likewise.
And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, "Why stand ye here all the day idle?"
They say unto him, "Because no man hath hired us."
He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive."
So when evening was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, "Call the labourers and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first."
And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the people who were hired first came, they supposed that they should have received more, and they likewise received every man a penny.
And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, saying, "These people who came last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us which have borne the burden and heat of the day!"
But he answered one of them, and said, "Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that which thine is, and go thy way; I will give unto this last group of hires even as I gave unto you. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is your eye evil, because I am good?"