Post by Rev. Jim Cunningham on Nov 19, 2008 3:04:31 GMT -5
From: Manager Rev. Jim (Original Message) Sent: 7/1/2005 4:39 AM
[Kal'Tar said in an unpublished post...]
I put up a thread about two places in the Bible that show that homosexuality is wrong and you didn't put up my post. If you're serious about "truth" then I don't understand why my thread isn't up. If it's because you haven't checked it thats fine but, if you didn't put it up for another reason please notify me why. If it doesn't go up or you don't repond to me I'll asume it didn't get to you and I'll just keep making them.
-Kal'Tar
Dear Kal'Tar,
Thank you for participating in Gay Christian Survivors' message board. Unfortunately, your postings are not consistent with the spirit of this group and they will not be posted. You have asked for a reason, so I will explain......
1. The subject of Sodom and Gommorrah, and whether they were destroyed for homosexuality, has already been dealt with on our website under the article "Sodom: Gay City?". I encourage you to read it, and when you do you will find that I have provided sufficient proof that the cities were not destroyed for homosexuality.
2. Your use of Genesis chapter 19 is unrelated to any issue surrounding homosexuality. A group of men wished to rape a couple of angels - which are not human. How you gather that they were all homosexuals is beyond me. Further more, you ignored that the Bible specifically states the reasons why Sodom, Gommorrah, and the other cities of the plain were destroyed and there is no mention or implication of homosexuality...
"Behold, THIS was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom:
pride,
fulness of bread,
and abundance of idleness was in her,
neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy;
and they were haughty,
and committed abomination before Me.
Therefore I took them away as I saw good [fit]."
- Ezekiel 16:49-50
3. While you state that your purpose for posting your message is borne out of love, it is in fact borne out of hate. No one persecutes people they love and want to help, they persecute those they hate. And you hate homosexuals and you have tried to use the Bible to support your hatred, which is unacceptable at GayChristianSurvivors.com.
4. Your use of 1 Corinthians 6:9 is out of order. Not only have I also covered this verse on our website (which, again, I would encourage you to read), but you have not provided any evidence whatsoever that the word "effeminate" implies a homosexual. The majority of homosexuals are not effeminate, which is exactly why so many were able to "hide in the closet" for so long. Michael Jackson was a heterosexual, yet he was VERY effeminate. Please use a dictionary to discover the correct definition of effeminate. You will notice that it does not mention homosexuality at all. If you are using a perverted modern Bible version, such as the NIV or the Living Bible, etc, which dares to use the word "homosexual" in this verse, I can't help you there because you have chosen to read a man made version of God's Word - which, incidently, is another issue I discuss on the site which you can also read.
5. Unfortunately your comments about bible translations to Kyle are uneducated ones and cause dispute and confusion. And since I have strived very diligently to show that the Bible version you use greatly determines your veiw on homosexuality (either the King James Version which is translated from the Majority Texts and supports homosexuals, or the NIV and her twisted sisters which are translated from corrupt minority manuscripts and which feature the editor's blasphemously biased doctrine on every topic from homosexuality to the Godhood of Jesus Christ), I am not able to publish your post which would muddle the issue all over again - once again because you did not take the time to read the information on my site which FLATLY contradicts and refutes your statements.
6. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but your statement that "I will not allow anyone to twist the Word of God in his or her favor which a few places in this site do very well" is out of line, even on a basic theological stand point. Jesus Himself who IS THE VERY WORD OF GOD didn't even say such a thing to Satan when he quoted Scripture to Jesus, and YOU'RE going to dare say such a thing. Are you now greater than Jesus? The Bible is not your personal property and God is not only your God. You are not empowered to allow or disallow anyone to debate ANYTHING from the Bible, and it is the height of arrogance for you to even presume so. I have just as much the right to interpret the Bible as you do, and because my interpretation is one of peace, tolerance, acceptance, mercy and subjection to Christ, I must say that I believe my interpretation of the Scriptures to be vastly superior to your interpretation which is one of hatred and bigotry and repression and unacceptance and subjection to the carnal Law. You have chosen to twist the Scripture to support your personal bias against homosexual identity, therefore I have chosen not to allow your post to be published. With the same eraser you wish to wipe out our voice I will in turn use to wipe out yours. It's called "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". That's in the Bible too, so unless you want the whole world to be blind and toothless, I suggest you reexamine exactly what God has to say in His laws because you are sorely lacking in understanding - and your careless words and abuse of the Scriptures can cost lives and souls!
If you feel that you have the right to silence homosexuals either by warping the Bible or by legal means, I must consider you a threat to life, liberty, property and pursuit of happiness, and therefore a threat to America, to the Constitution, to the church and to both domestic and international society. Neither the Taliban, nor the Sadducees, nor the Pharisees, nor the pope, rules here.
Now, if you would care to post messages which are constructive, relivent, and doesn't present an anti-gay argument which has already been refuted on this site, we would truly love to hear from you. If you have a NEW debate, if you have some NEW evidence from the Bible to prove that homosexuality is a sin, then by all means share it with us. But if you have just come here to vomit out the same nonsense that the church has been trying to ram down our throats, then please save yourself the trouble because such messages will not be posted. If you are here to learn something new that you didn't know about homosexuality and the Bible, if you are here to honestly seek insight on the topic, you are very welcome to stay here with us. Hey, it's ok if you don't agree in the end because no one is asking your permission to be homosexual and certainly no one needs your approval any more than you need our approval or consent to be straight and marry the female of your choice. But if you are here to lurk about like a snake and jump out to bite with your poisonous fangs, we will merely shake you off as surely as Paul did with the serpent from the fire who bit him in the book of Acts.
Finally, I will say this to you: I claim and believe from the pit of my soul that Jesus is Jehovah the Savior the Messiah who has come in the flesh. Now, according to 1st John 2:22-23, a person cannot make this claim if he has not the Spirit of God, and in anyone else - heterosexual or homosexual - who makes such a declaration. And if the Spirit of God abides in them, then they are a son of God. And if a son of God, they have obtained salvation. And if they have obtained salvation, then God would set them free from homosexuality if it were a sin. Since they have always been homosexual and have received no rebuke from God Our Savior nor have found anything in His Word to rebuke them as a homosexual, then I conclude that, not only is it NOT a sin to be a homosexual, but that being a homosexual will not keep anyone from the Kingdom of Heaven. Therefore your condemnation of homosexuality is in error and is a false accusation against the Father.
By the blood of Jesus my Savior,
Rev. Jim Cunningham
[Kal'Tar said in an unpublished post...]
I put up a thread about two places in the Bible that show that homosexuality is wrong and you didn't put up my post. If you're serious about "truth" then I don't understand why my thread isn't up. If it's because you haven't checked it thats fine but, if you didn't put it up for another reason please notify me why. If it doesn't go up or you don't repond to me I'll asume it didn't get to you and I'll just keep making them.
-Kal'Tar
Dear Kal'Tar,
Thank you for participating in Gay Christian Survivors' message board. Unfortunately, your postings are not consistent with the spirit of this group and they will not be posted. You have asked for a reason, so I will explain......
1. The subject of Sodom and Gommorrah, and whether they were destroyed for homosexuality, has already been dealt with on our website under the article "Sodom: Gay City?". I encourage you to read it, and when you do you will find that I have provided sufficient proof that the cities were not destroyed for homosexuality.
2. Your use of Genesis chapter 19 is unrelated to any issue surrounding homosexuality. A group of men wished to rape a couple of angels - which are not human. How you gather that they were all homosexuals is beyond me. Further more, you ignored that the Bible specifically states the reasons why Sodom, Gommorrah, and the other cities of the plain were destroyed and there is no mention or implication of homosexuality...
"Behold, THIS was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom:
pride,
fulness of bread,
and abundance of idleness was in her,
neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy;
and they were haughty,
and committed abomination before Me.
Therefore I took them away as I saw good [fit]."
- Ezekiel 16:49-50
3. While you state that your purpose for posting your message is borne out of love, it is in fact borne out of hate. No one persecutes people they love and want to help, they persecute those they hate. And you hate homosexuals and you have tried to use the Bible to support your hatred, which is unacceptable at GayChristianSurvivors.com.
4. Your use of 1 Corinthians 6:9 is out of order. Not only have I also covered this verse on our website (which, again, I would encourage you to read), but you have not provided any evidence whatsoever that the word "effeminate" implies a homosexual. The majority of homosexuals are not effeminate, which is exactly why so many were able to "hide in the closet" for so long. Michael Jackson was a heterosexual, yet he was VERY effeminate. Please use a dictionary to discover the correct definition of effeminate. You will notice that it does not mention homosexuality at all. If you are using a perverted modern Bible version, such as the NIV or the Living Bible, etc, which dares to use the word "homosexual" in this verse, I can't help you there because you have chosen to read a man made version of God's Word - which, incidently, is another issue I discuss on the site which you can also read.
5. Unfortunately your comments about bible translations to Kyle are uneducated ones and cause dispute and confusion. And since I have strived very diligently to show that the Bible version you use greatly determines your veiw on homosexuality (either the King James Version which is translated from the Majority Texts and supports homosexuals, or the NIV and her twisted sisters which are translated from corrupt minority manuscripts and which feature the editor's blasphemously biased doctrine on every topic from homosexuality to the Godhood of Jesus Christ), I am not able to publish your post which would muddle the issue all over again - once again because you did not take the time to read the information on my site which FLATLY contradicts and refutes your statements.
6. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but your statement that "I will not allow anyone to twist the Word of God in his or her favor which a few places in this site do very well" is out of line, even on a basic theological stand point. Jesus Himself who IS THE VERY WORD OF GOD didn't even say such a thing to Satan when he quoted Scripture to Jesus, and YOU'RE going to dare say such a thing. Are you now greater than Jesus? The Bible is not your personal property and God is not only your God. You are not empowered to allow or disallow anyone to debate ANYTHING from the Bible, and it is the height of arrogance for you to even presume so. I have just as much the right to interpret the Bible as you do, and because my interpretation is one of peace, tolerance, acceptance, mercy and subjection to Christ, I must say that I believe my interpretation of the Scriptures to be vastly superior to your interpretation which is one of hatred and bigotry and repression and unacceptance and subjection to the carnal Law. You have chosen to twist the Scripture to support your personal bias against homosexual identity, therefore I have chosen not to allow your post to be published. With the same eraser you wish to wipe out our voice I will in turn use to wipe out yours. It's called "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". That's in the Bible too, so unless you want the whole world to be blind and toothless, I suggest you reexamine exactly what God has to say in His laws because you are sorely lacking in understanding - and your careless words and abuse of the Scriptures can cost lives and souls!
If you feel that you have the right to silence homosexuals either by warping the Bible or by legal means, I must consider you a threat to life, liberty, property and pursuit of happiness, and therefore a threat to America, to the Constitution, to the church and to both domestic and international society. Neither the Taliban, nor the Sadducees, nor the Pharisees, nor the pope, rules here.
Now, if you would care to post messages which are constructive, relivent, and doesn't present an anti-gay argument which has already been refuted on this site, we would truly love to hear from you. If you have a NEW debate, if you have some NEW evidence from the Bible to prove that homosexuality is a sin, then by all means share it with us. But if you have just come here to vomit out the same nonsense that the church has been trying to ram down our throats, then please save yourself the trouble because such messages will not be posted. If you are here to learn something new that you didn't know about homosexuality and the Bible, if you are here to honestly seek insight on the topic, you are very welcome to stay here with us. Hey, it's ok if you don't agree in the end because no one is asking your permission to be homosexual and certainly no one needs your approval any more than you need our approval or consent to be straight and marry the female of your choice. But if you are here to lurk about like a snake and jump out to bite with your poisonous fangs, we will merely shake you off as surely as Paul did with the serpent from the fire who bit him in the book of Acts.
Finally, I will say this to you: I claim and believe from the pit of my soul that Jesus is Jehovah the Savior the Messiah who has come in the flesh. Now, according to 1st John 2:22-23, a person cannot make this claim if he has not the Spirit of God, and in anyone else - heterosexual or homosexual - who makes such a declaration. And if the Spirit of God abides in them, then they are a son of God. And if a son of God, they have obtained salvation. And if they have obtained salvation, then God would set them free from homosexuality if it were a sin. Since they have always been homosexual and have received no rebuke from God Our Savior nor have found anything in His Word to rebuke them as a homosexual, then I conclude that, not only is it NOT a sin to be a homosexual, but that being a homosexual will not keep anyone from the Kingdom of Heaven. Therefore your condemnation of homosexuality is in error and is a false accusation against the Father.
By the blood of Jesus my Savior,
Rev. Jim Cunningham
